have a couple more good debates, those all go in the romney column. that was a freudian slip. but at the end of the day, though, the question is committee make up the big difference in ohio? can he make up the big difference in wisconsin? because if he doesn't win ohio, he's got to win wisconsin. the romney people still think he can. after that debate and after barack obama's performance, which was staggeringly bad. >> all right. >> no, i mean it. >> he's right. >> okay. >> i'm hearing this from democrats. and this broke through. we always hear about how americans aren't paying attention. they're looking at reality shows. this broke through, everybody was talking about it, not just how well romney did but how badly the president performed. >> well, just as i think it was premature to declare the race over before, i think it's too soon to say that that performance, as widely watched as it was, is going to move numbers. we have yet to see any numbers move. i think they probably will some. and i think that on the other hand, did governor romney win the d